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    Oakes, its funny you mention the black box, I have been researching this for a while. Its been pretty hard because nobody talks about it any more, I was afraid nobody used them anymore. I run a 14' aluminum boat and mainly use my electric trolling motor, its just much quieter and easier then my old 25hp. I will installing the box this week and we will see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JagerR View Post
    Oakes, its funny you mention the black box, I have been researching this for a while. Its been pretty hard because nobody talks about it any more, I was afraid nobody used them anymore. I run a 14' aluminum boat and mainly use my electric trolling motor, its just much quieter and easier then my old 25hp. I will installing the box this week and we will see how it goes.

    Black box - voodoo - I commercial salmon trolled in Alaska for 7 years - know all about the black box - Originated in Canada - theory is a very small amount of voltage put into your lines will attract salmon - problem is that you have to have the whole boat isolated with zero volt leakage from motor, boat itself, and isolated down riggers as your boat alone sends out a voltage field that will interfer with the line voltage. If this is what your talking about it was never proven to work consistantly - your electric troll motor will make it unusable as that pust a mass of voltage in the field - good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battleship Oakes View Post
    Isecond the notion of the go to setups. I have my favorites for all the places I fish. Donít ever use a green/black WR on arrowrock at first light though... ;-)

    My go to speed is 1.3 with s turns to start every day. Try to keep track of what the boat was doing when one of my outsid poles gets hit. If I get two on the outside of the turn then I speed up and vice versa on multiple hits on the inside of the turn. Once that happens I bump the speed a quarter mph and resume. You can dial in the preferred speed pretty quick in my opinion. When I get desperate I will start to stop the boat and lurch forward or just to speed bursts to try to get a bite. I have a buddy who swears by 2mph...I canít bring myself to hot rod my boat like that...lol!

    As for the one guy catching more than everybody else...I used to always feel I was boating more than the other boats. Maybe it was beginners luck though. I would fish lures right behind the downrigger ball and slam the fish. After several years of slaying the fish I upgraded the pump on my boat and went on a few years long dry spell where I was average at best. Finally started catching fish again with 40í+ of leader behind the downrigger as well as 200í of line out on my long line poles. I got so desperate that I thought I would try some of that gypsy magic they call the black box. Tested my boat and I was putting off 1.5-2 volts out on my downrigger cables with the boat not even running.... First trip out with the thing I outfished the other boats on deadwood about 4:1 with two little kids reeling in the fish and we were all fishing the same schools. You donít need to buy a black box because a volt meter will test the boat. Easy test and saves money on the black box if you donít need it. If you put out 0.6 volts or less, itís not the boat...LOL!

    Getting back out on the water again soon after some more upgrades. Canít wait to test the new downriggers, lowrance, and tr-1!
    TR-1= Best money ever spent for me. Really allows me to enjoy the fishing and maximize the interaction with guests on my boat while preventing things like boat spinning when multiple hookups. Even more valuable when trying to keep 4 downriggers fishing when the catching is good.

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    TR-1 would be nice but prob not in my future! I agree with a lot of the bite producing tips but would suggest for fisherman curteousy donít be the boat yanking s turns when thereís 50 boats in the bay! I vary speeds, if I get a ghost strike I will click it in neutral than speed back up and about 50% of the time I will get a follow on bite. Color changes if I go more than 30 minutes without a hit, or drink another 🍺. Always scented bait, synthetic maggots or died corn. I donít do s turns unless Iím the only boat around or if I mark fish that arenít biting and I keep the turns very short but sharp just to vary the gear depths and speeds. Looks like the weather will play ball on Saturday, tight lines. Last comment, everybody loves a good youtube tutorial but Iíve seen many great fisheries ruined by hunting and fishing articles or special attention being brought to them so please post away but recognize that there can be negative consequences.

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    Garmin no longer makes the TR1. They have switched to a new auto pilot that runs on electric motors rather than hydraulics and interfaces with the chartplotter rather than a compass. I've got a TR1 - love it. Worth every penny.

    Also, went to braid for the downriggers so the voltage thing is moot. Can't believe how much nicer the braid is over the cable. Quiet, no splicing, no kinks, no wire slivers in my fingers, and much smoother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JagerR View Post
    Oakes, its funny you mention the black box, I have been researching this for a while. Its been pretty hard because nobody talks about it any more, I was afraid nobody used them anymore. I run a 14' aluminum boat and mainly use my electric trolling motor, its just much quieter and easier then my old 25hp. I will installing the box this week and we will see how it goes.
    Go test the boat with a $20 volt meter before installing. You may not need the black box. If you are catching fish on par with everyone else, you are probably ok. Itís not going to make you catch fish but it could limit the problem of scaring fish away from the boat before they see your gear. I changed up the boat and then I couldnít catch a cold!!!

    You can always go away from stainless steel cable and negate the issue with the downrigger cables. If the boat is a problem without the downriggers in the water, then you are stuck with needing the box if you want to fix it. Whatever you do, you will need to test it, in all conditions. Adding a kicker motor/trolling motor in the water could change the voltage. Downriggers in the water vs out of the water changes things too.

    The current is not in the fishing line. It is either at the downrigger cables or at the boat. Thatís what you are tying to fix. If I had a completely neutral boat I would be happy as a clam. I wouldnít get too hung up on trying to get 0.56 volts in the cables...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battleship Oakes View Post
    Go test the boat with a $20 volt meter before installing. You may not need the black box. If you are catching fish on par with everyone else, you are probably ok. Itís not going to make you catch fish but it could limit the problem of scaring fish away from the boat before they see your gear. I changed up the boat and then I couldnít catch a cold!!!

    You can always go away from stainless steel cable and negate the issue with the downrigger cables. If the boat is a problem without the downriggers in the water, then you are stuck with needing the box if you want to fix it. Whatever you do, you will need to test it, in all conditions. Adding a kicker motor/trolling motor in the water could change the voltage. Downriggers in the water vs out of the water changes things too.

    The current is not in the fishing line. It is either at the downrigger cables or at the boat. Thatís what you are tying to fix. If I had a completely neutral boat I would be happy as a clam. I wouldnít get too hung up on trying to get 0.56 volts in the cables...
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    Almost forgot...donít get hung up on trying to isolate the downriggers from the boat or ďleakingĒ voltage from a short in the boat. Nothing is isolated because the boat is in the water and the downriggers are in the same water. Nothing is isolated. Even if your boat isnít leaking voltage, the current will come from galvanic corrosion. Iíll spare you the science, but in short, aluminum, stainless steel, and zinc anode protection on boat motors/pumps create current between themselves through a process known as galvanic corrosion. That is most likely where the voltage is going to come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battleship Oakes View Post
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    Almost forgot...donít get hung up on trying to isolate the downriggers from the boat or ďleakingĒ voltage from a short in the boat. Nothing is isolated because the boat is in the water and the downriggers are in the same water. Nothing is isolated. Even if your boat isnít leaking voltage, the current will come from galvanic corrosion. Iíll spare you the science, but in short, aluminum, stainless steel, and zinc anode protection on boat motors/pumps create current between themselves through a process known as galvanic corrosion. That is most likely where the voltage is going to come from.

    Very true.... And it doesn't matter if you have a aluminum or glass hull. You can switch from Stainless cable to synthetic braid....It will stop that current issue. Some guys swear that that little bit of voltage actually helps getting fish some way. You can check the current with a DC Volt meter.... One lead to the ground on the boat (or negative battery terminal) and the other to the stainless cable. Just send the ball down to 10 feet or so for the test..... .5 to .7 volts is about what you should read. If you read much more voltage than that you probably have a leak. If you are in salt water, the voltage may be higher since salt water will conduct the electricity a bit better. When you use your down rigger you are essentially making a large battery.

    Pauli

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    This is some great info everyone, I haven't installed it yet. Before I do install I will run the volt meter on my next run and see what kind of reading I get. My wiring is pretty good and downrigger is not electric, so I'm thinking I'm not going to have an issue there. So it may be about a week before I can hit the water with this weather, I hope it blows over sooner.

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    It will be interesting to see what you find. Just remember there are several paths for a leak to occur. After you do the initial test, retest with your electric trolling motor down in the water (both with the trolling motor on and off). Also check with your main motor in and out of the water (with it off and running). And finally, if you have an isolation switch on the electrical system (a master on/off switch), check for voltage with the switch both on and off. Lots of different paths to create an electric field around your boat while in the water. Let us know what you find.

    Pauli

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    We fished Friday from 430 to 9 and got 10 despite the howling wind and waves. I'm sure we would've got more but the conditions were not great. Saturday we fished from 630am the 730 pm. Curlew down to the fall creek. The majority of the fish were caught between lime creek and the powerlines. All fish were between the surface and 15ft. Pink was the color all day and orange was hot in the afternoon. We ended up with 39 for the day and probably lost a dozen or more. Most fish were in the 14-15" range with three fattys at 17". Very few boats on the water and an absolutely beautiful day!
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    Fished from about 9-3 today trying out all the new toys. Windy and raining cats and dogs. Spent about an hour at fall creek first thing with no luck and ridiculous wind. Jumped up and spent the rest of the day between curlew and lime. 10 kokes and one chinook in the boat. Probably lost half again more. Pink Houche and sling blade was the hot ticket for the day. Had a couple hits on other things, but one rod caught almost everything. Didnít have a matching set so I got as close as I could and then the other pole started producing.

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    My wife and I, along with another couple, fished Anderson on the mornings of 5/23 and 5/24. We spent most of our time off of the Pine launch area. We caught 24 kokes on 5/23, and 11 kokes and 1 trout on 5/24. We fished between 5 and 15 feet deep, with most caught around 10' (2 colors lead core). Pink hoochies, and pink and silver bead spinners, with dodgers or flashers, worked well along with plain shoepeg corn. The kokes were really nice fish, and up to about 17". Water temp 53 deg.
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    Nice shot trailbob! Thanks for the update.

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    It's been awhile since my last trip, been trying to get the boys on some pan fish witih little luck so I decided it was time to hit the kokes again. Fished today 5/25 from 12-4. Launched out of curlew. Took 18 home, released 4 I think and lost another 6 or so. Largest fish was 18'' with the average 15.5''. All nice fish. They were aggressive and hit the rods hard. Lots of acrobats today. Most fish were hooked bad and I had a hard time removing the hooks. Pink seemed to be the color of choice, although idk if it would've mattered. The fishing was so good even the birds were catching kokanee. I actually thought we would have a bird of prey on the line for a second. As my sons fish surfaced 30' out the bird began to try and catch it. The fish popped off and didn't make it far before being snatched up. The boys were pretty excited. All fish were caught 15' and less. I did mark a bunch of fish in that 65-80 range, but didn't even bother. It rained pretty good a few times, but we managed to stay mostly dry under the bimini. All in all, it was a good trip.

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    Fished 5/26-5/27
    Saturday boated 50 between the storms pink was definitely the color of choice although there where some of ball lures that were producing. Fish were on the surface to 8í on the DR. Sunday boated 26 by from 6:30 - 12:30. I had lost so many set ups from slightly abraided line that we were digging at the bottom of the box. I have been re tying set ups with 10lb maxima ultra green but am thinking that I need to up the leader weight to at least 16. I lost 7 set ups from sat and Sunday and was checking for abrasions every fish. Very frustrating and expensive. Sunday was still pink. Best fish was 19Ē with at least 15 18Ē and the rest 16 we threw back anything under 14

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    Fished from 3:30-7:00. Boated 12. Lost 4. 13.5'' - 18''. Caught from the surface to 60'. Also caught one chinook at 92'. Pink was still the color and the bite was off at 6. Only landed 1 koke and 1 chinook from 6-7. Another good quick trip.

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    Jacksdad,
    Any size to the chinook? I was expecting some larger chinooks this summer. Thanks in advance! Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiak1 View Post
    Jacksdad,
    Any size to the chinook? I was expecting some larger chinooks this summer. Thanks in advance! Mike
    Mike, the chinook was only 12". This is my first year fishing Anderson. Are there large chinooks to target? How big do they get in a lake? Thanks.

    I fished Anderson today from 1130-230. Boated 5, lost 4 Was a slow day for me. Still at the surface despite the 64 degree surface temp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksdad View Post
    Mike, the chinook was only 12". This is my first year fishing Anderson. Are there large chinooks to target? How big do they get in a lake? Thanks.

    I fished Anderson today from 1130-230. Boated 5, lost 4 Was a slow day for me. Still at the surface despite the 64 degree surface temp.


    finally broke down - electric down riggers going on as we speak - not sure what weight is best 4-6-8 lb?

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    I'd def. go with the 8's. Far less blow back. When we go to the ocean for kings, we switch our 8's for 12's. Mike



    Quote Originally Posted by G3 longliner View Post
    finally broke down - electric down riggers going on as we speak - not sure what weight is best 4-6-8 lb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiak1 View Post
    I'd def. go with the 8's. Far less blow back. When we go to the ocean for kings, we switch our 8's for 12's. Mike
    8s would be my minimum. I run an 8 and a 10. Less blowback especially when targeting trout at 60' or greater around 2.2-2.5 mph

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    [QUOTE=jacksdad;64192]8s would be my minimum. I run an 8 and a 10. Less blowback especially when targeting trout at 60' or greater around 2.2-2.5


    thinks guys when i commercial trolled in Alaska it was 60lb but we where sometimes at 300 ft

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    [QUOTE=G3 longliner;64193]
    Quote Originally Posted by jacksdad View Post
    8s would be my minimum. I run an 8 and a 10. Less blowback especially when targeting trout at 60' or greater around 2.2-2.5


    thinks guys when i commercial trolled in Alaska it was 60lb but we where sometimes at 300 ft



    Going Curlew next week to camp for a few days - any reports on tick situation - have big dog - tick magnet - dont need fish report- had good luck there last week

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    I had my dog running around last weekend with no issues, but he didn't get to far off the beach and boat. Any thoughts on how this cold front moving in will affect the fishing ? Barometer takes off to the upside starting Friday morning (29.5 > +30 by Sunday).

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